Filed under: Nortriptyline (Allegron)
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Go Suck A Cab Driver’s Ass.
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> Fuck off, cross-posting troll.
CHARGES: Felony Assault Resisting Arrest Interfering with domestic violence reporting Witness tampering Malicious mischief SENTENCE: 12 months jail time 11 days served 12 months probation No further law violations No Contact Order $500 victim penalty assessment $259 medical bills to victim the woman he beat Police were forced to use leg restraints, and pepper spray. PRIORS: Two arrests years earlier for assault and harassment One previous conviction Known Aliases: DRUGS: About three years of Lithium and some other stuff like desipramine, zoloft, crack, klonopin, acid, nortriptyline, pot, zyprexa, vicodin, tegretol, bupropion, ’shrooms, mescaline, meth&benzedrine, dilaudid, morphine, heroin, cocaine, killer weed, assasin hash hish… You name it, I done it…. Until I ran out of money…. then nothing. I’m cured. Warning Signs You may be at risk for domestic violence if your partner is doing any of the following things: Putting you down: for example, your partner may call you names, criticize you frequently, humiliate you in public or private, or make you feel crazy.
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July 28, 2002
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Go see a shrink and discuss DID & BPD(the other kind).
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Chocolate Snake Ingredients: 1/2 C. Peanut butter 1/2 C. Dry milk 1/2 C. Honey 1 T. Cocoa 1/2 t. Vanilla extract 1/2 C. Finely Diced & Chopped mixed nuts 1/2 C. Raisins 2 T. Shredded Coconut Directions 1. Combine peanut butter and dry milk until blended 2. Stir in, one at a time, honey, cocoa, vanilla extract, nuts, raisins, and coconut 3. Place mixture on wax paper and roll into a long thick snake shape 4. Wrap in wax paper and chill 5. To serve, either have children pull off pieces, or cut into slices
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Yummy!!!!! 
) Big hugs, TK
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chocolate Snake > Ingredients: > 1/2 C. Peanut butter > 1/2 C. Dry milk > 1/2 C. Honey > 1 T. Cocoa > 1/2 t. Vanilla extract > 1/2 C. Finely Diced & Chopped mixed nuts > 1/2 C. Raisins > 2 T. Shredded Coconut > Directions > 1. Combine peanut butter and dry milk until blended > 2. Stir in, one at a time, honey, cocoa, vanilla extract, nuts, raisins, and > coconut > 3. Place mixture on wax paper and roll into a long thick snake shape > 4. Wrap in wax paper and chill > 5. To serve, either have children pull off pieces, or cut into slices
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> Yummy!!!!! ) > Big hugs, > TK > Chocolate Snake
CHARGES: Felony Assault Resisting Arrest Interfering with domestic violence reporting Witness tampering Malicious mischief SENTENCE: 12 months jail time 11 days served 12 months probation No further law violations No Contact Order $500 victim penalty assessment $259 medical bills to victim the woman he beat Police were forced to use leg restraints, and pepper spray. PRIORS: Two arrests years earlier for assault and harassment One previous conviction Known Aliases: DRUGS: About three years of Lithium and some other stuff like desipramine, zoloft, crack, klonopin, acid, nortriptyline, pot, zyprexa, vicodin, tegretol, bupropion, ’shrooms, mescaline, meth&benzedrine, dilaudid, morphine, heroin, cocaine, killer weed, assasin hash hish… You name it, I done it…. Until I ran out of money…. then nothing. I’m cured. Warning Signs You may be at risk for domestic violence if your partner is doing any of the following things: Putting you down: for example, your partner may call you names, criticize you frequently, humiliate you in public or private, or make you feel crazy.
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July 28, 2002
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I spent three years trying to find the right meds but I did finally find them. They are diet, exercise, meditation and therapy. I’ve been psychiatric drug free since Feb of this year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I dont want to give you dissappointing news but it can take quit awhile to >find the right meds. Som pple are lucky and get the right ones emefiately >but those like me,it can take forever. Just dont give up. > Hello.My name is Jason.I have a question for you all.I have been on and >off > meds since 99,I am currently on zyprexa,and zyprexa has helped a little >bit,but > not enough,I am frustrated because I have tried other meds and they did >not > help,only one did,lithium,but I had to quit taking lithium because it made >me > vomit constantly.so my question is how long did it take for you all to >find the > right med that worked for you,does it sometimes take a while to find the >right > med to work?
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Hello.My name is Jason.I have a question for you all.I have been on and off meds since 99,I am currently on zyprexa,and zyprexa has helped a little bit,but not enough,I am frustrated because I have tried other meds and they did not help,only one did,lithium,but I had to quit taking lithium because it made me vomit constantly.so my question is how long did it take for you all to find the right med that worked for you,does it sometimes take a while to find the right med to work?
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About three years of Lithium and some other stuff like desipramine, zoloft, crack, klonopin, acid, nortriptyline, pot, zyprexa, vicodin, tegretol, bupropion, ’shrooms, mescaline, meth&benzedrine, dilaudid, morphine, heroin, cocaine, killer weed, assasin hash hish… You name it, I done it…. Until I ran out of money…. then nothing. I’m cured.
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I dont want to give you dissappointing news but it can take quit awhile to find the right meds. Som pple are lucky and get the right ones emefiately but those like me,it can take forever. Just dont give up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello.My name is Jason.I have a question for you all.I have been on and off > meds since 99,I am currently on zyprexa,and zyprexa has helped a little bit,but > not enough,I am frustrated because I have tried other meds and they did not > help,only one did,lithium,but I had to quit taking lithium because it made me > vomit constantly.so my question is how long did it take for you all to find the > right med that worked for you,does it sometimes take a while to find the right > med to work?
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Took me over a year. Zyprexa is the main medication for me! Keeps me from the "highs." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello.My name is Jason.I have a question for you all.I have been on and off > meds since 99,I am currently on zyprexa,and zyprexa has helped a little bit,but > not enough,I am frustrated because I have tried other meds and they did not > help,only one did,lithium,but I had to quit taking lithium because it made me > vomit constantly.so my question is how long did it take for you all to find the > right med that worked for you,does it sometimes take a while to find the right > med to work?
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July 24, 2002
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Prostate Cancer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> look at all those estrogen replacement drugz.. scary shit.. they have NO FUCKING > clue what it really does when they give estrogen.
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> http://www.rxlist.com/top200.htm
Who cares? Really.
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> > http://www.rxlist.com/top200.htm > Who cares? Really.
The victims and family and friends of victims whose lives were lost or ruined on toxic medicines
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May 22, 2002
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hi Carrie… I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me out of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can say is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a big part in my recovery. Take good care, — regards, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this combo. > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus on > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or wander. > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally gotten > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – but > not a bad. > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My doctor > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that combo > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the awful > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would appreciate > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? Normal > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > Thanks > Carrie 
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> hi Carrie… > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me out > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can say > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a big > part in my recovery.
hi carrie i take neurontin too, since last summer …… they first gave me neurontin last summer and it made a huge change.. i feel that ’slowing’ thing too and its made a huge difference to the positive……. i know that ive felt far more relaxed day to day, since starting it. i hope it keeps working for you if that is whats making the difference. how nice that someone finally is trying to give you a hand with all this! geez. take care anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Take good care, > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > x-no-archive: yes > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this combo. > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus on > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > wander. > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally gotten > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – but > not a bad. > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My doctor > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that combo > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the awful > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would > appreciate > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? > Normal > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > Thanks > Carrie
– some come to laugh the past away some come to make it, just one more day whichever way your pleasure tends if you plant ice, gonna harvest wind – hunter/garcia ~~ blessed are we to dwell in these beautiful temples ~~
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Hi Compucat: I’ve been suffering from this depression for 3 years. Its is like I also have episodes within this episode. This sub-episode started last August, and has been just about impossible to fix. This is the first time (since I took Manerix) that I feel so much better. I still can’t figure if I have some bi-polar problem. It would just be nice to be able to dx me as "something". I’ve also tried Topamax – made me sick for 4 months. I found it to be a very harsh drug. It worked very well for 2 months and then it crashed and burned. I have not been a fun patient for any of my doctors. But then they have been hard to deal with also. Not a good combination. How I ever got the strength to spend 1-1/2 weeks just bitching and complaining at them is beyond my comprehension. Must have be a need to survive. Did you gradually build up to 2400 mg/day of the Neurontin, or did you start at that amount right away? Thanks for your input. Carrie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi Carrie… > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me out > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can say > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a big > part in my recovery. > Take good care, > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > x-no-archive: yes > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this combo. > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus on > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > wander. > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally gotten > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – but > not a bad. > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My doctor > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that combo > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the awful > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would > appreciate > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? > Normal > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > Thanks > Carrie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi Carrie… > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me out > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can say > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a big > part in my recovery. > hi carrie i take neurontin too, since last summer …… they first gave > me neurontin last summer and it made a huge change.. i feel that > ’slowing’ thing too and its made a huge difference to the > positive……. > i know that ive felt far more relaxed day to day, since starting it. > i hope it keeps working for you if that is whats making the difference. > how nice that someone finally is trying to give you a hand with all > this! geez. > take care > anna
Hi anna: You, myself and Compucat all crashed about the same time last summer! Its good to hear that you are experiencing the same than as I am. I just can’t believe this is too good to be true. I spent 1-1/2 weeks just basically being a real pain in the butt to both my family doctor and my pdoc. Something in me just would not let go until I had something resolved. During this time I became worse and worse each day. Normally I never had the strength to nag so much. It is still unbelievable that I was so persistent. Like I mentioned to Compucat – it must have been a survival instinct thing. LOL. I happy to hear that it works so well for you. I don’t notice any increase in appetite. I’m actually choking down a bowl of rice now. I hope that it does not assist in any weight gain. I’m past the limit now. Way past! Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. Thanks for caring, too. I don’t get much of that in my life these days. LOL. Everyone is rather tired of my situation. I don’t blame them, I’m tired of it too. But this is looking very positive and and depressed person using the word "positive" is a GIANT step. Thanks again Carrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Take good care, > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > > x-no-archive: yes > > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this combo. > > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus on > > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > wander. > > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally gotten > > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – but > > not a bad. > > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My doctor > > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that combo > > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the awful > > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would > appreciate > > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? > Normal > > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > > Thanks > > Carrie > — > some come to laugh the past away > some come to make it, just one more day > whichever way your pleasure tends > if you plant ice, gonna harvest wind > – hunter/garcia > ~~ blessed are we to dwell in these beautiful temples ~~
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hi Carrie: 3 years is a long time to be in the midst of a depressive state. I’m happy you are getting some relief now. I find it interesting regarding your sub-episode starting in August. I would love to find a common denominator for why people like us (I am Bipolar II) crash in the late summer. My theory (for me) is that I was born in the summer and love the summer, hence I have "life" in the summer. But in my head, late August represents the summer slipping away yet another time. The 9/11 problems, I think, also played a significant part in my crash. I was horribly treatment resistant this time around. I tried a number of meds before settling in with the 3 I am on now (Neurontin, Celexa and Nortriptyline). Yes, I did start the Neurontin at a lower dose and work my way up. My initial dose was 1500 mg. (a.m. – 600 mg. noon – 300 mg. p.m. 600 mg. ). I tolerated it well, and so the next increase was up to 2100 mg. a day (a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 600 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). I am now maintaining the 2400 mg. a day ( a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 900 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). From what I understand about this drug, it has a very small half life, which makes it important to take it in divided doses throughout the day. My pdoc mentioned Topamax as a possibility for me. However, at the time, I was losing a fair amount of weight because of the depression, so he decided to hold off on trying me on Topamax, as one of the side effects is weight loss. What were the side effects you had from it? — regards, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Compucat: > I’ve been suffering from this depression for 3 years. Its is like I also > have episodes within this episode. This sub-episode started last August, > and has been just about impossible to fix. This is the first time (since I > took Manerix) that I feel so much better. I still can’t figure if I have > some bi-polar problem. It would just be nice to be able to dx me as > "something". > I’ve also tried Topamax – made me sick for 4 months. I found it to be a > very harsh drug. It worked very well for 2 months and then it crashed and > burned. I have not been a fun patient for any of my doctors. But then they > have been hard to deal with also. Not a good combination. How I ever got > the strength to spend 1-1/2 weeks just bitching and complaining at them is > beyond my comprehension. Must have be a need to survive. > Did you gradually build up to 2400 mg/day of the Neurontin, or did you start > at that amount right away? > Thanks for your input. > Carrie > hi Carrie… > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me > out > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can > say > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a big > part in my recovery. > Take good care, > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > > x-no-archive: yes > > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this > combo. > > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus on > > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > wander. > > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally > gotten > > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – > but > > not a bad. > > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My > doctor > > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that > combo > > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the > awful > > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would > appreciate > > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? > Normal > > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > > Thanks > > Carrie
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My side effects from the Topamax was weight loss. I’m very overweight and the weight loss was great, no one complained. Unfortunately feeling like I was going to vomit 24 hours a day was just awful. I had NO appetite at all. My belly hurt. Diet cola tasted like crap. My taste senses were totally off. For about a month I constantly ate Popsicles. Piles of them. LOL. My weight loss over the 4-month period was 30 pounds. I was disappointed when the mood stabilizing effect crashed and burned. So sad. I was willing to put up with the appetite side effects to loss more weight. But my liver has some problems also. Topamax is not the greatest on the liver. Well, that is my Topamax story. I find the Neurontin does not have any effect on my appetite. In fact I’ve had a slight decrease in my appetite. I used to take Phenobarbitol for epilepsy many years ago. Seizure meds just seem to kill my appetite. I’ve that the Zyprexa is bad for weight gain. Believe me, I pray that does not happen. I will have to go off it. I suffered from depression in 1989-1992. During the first 15 months, I gained 140 pounds. Believe it or not, after the recovery and before this depression started, I had lost 110 pounds of that. And then, boom, another depression started in spring 1999. Well by spring 2000, I’d gained 80 pounds. I’ve kept off 20 of the 30 pounds lost recently. So, do I die of obesity and the problems associated with it, or die of a serious depressive episode? I don’t my doctors will let me go any higher on any of the meds. They now seem to figure that I get will with nothing. Right. I can’t see it. In fact, I know it. I really wonder if I’m Bi-polar II. If I can’t get off the meds over a long period of time, I guess we will know. I’ve read up on Bi-polar II and I sure seem to fit into the description. How did you know that you were BPII? As far as the late summer sub-episode, I’m very curious about that. I remember I was at my worst on 9/11. I was in bed and my son woke me up and flicked on my TV and said "Mom, look at this!" I thought it was some computer generated airplane crashes. I was numb. Ten minutes later the cable guy arrived to hook up my movie channels (digital stuff). It was all so unreal to me at the time. I’m Canadian, on Vancouver Island, and that attack bothered everyone here as well. I was born in September and I love the onset of fall and winter. So my crash and burn sub-episode was so bizarre. Like I haven’t had enough yet! LOL. Thanks for that info on Neurontin. I didn’t realize about the half life of the med. I notice the effects about 45 minutes I take my dose. I don’t notice anything after I take my Zyprexa. Can a person just take Neurontin, or do they have to be taking something with it? Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic, I believe. Or it is some combo of AD and AP. Take care, Sorry for the length of this reply. I’m long winded today. Total opposite of 3 days ago. Carrie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi Carrie: > 3 years is a long time to be in the midst of a depressive state. I’m happy > you are getting some relief now. I find it interesting regarding your > sub-episode starting in August. I would love to find a common denominator > for why people like us (I am Bipolar II) crash in the late summer. My theory > (for me) is that I was born in the summer and love the summer, hence I have > "life" in the summer. But in my head, late August represents the summer > slipping away yet another time. The 9/11 problems, I think, also played a > significant part in my crash. > I was horribly treatment resistant this time around. I tried a number of > meds before settling in with the 3 I am on now (Neurontin, Celexa and > Nortriptyline). Yes, I did start the Neurontin at a lower dose and work my > way up. My initial dose was 1500 mg. (a.m. – 600 mg. noon – 300 mg. p.m. > 600 mg. ). I tolerated it well, and so the next increase was up to 2100 mg. > a day (a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 600 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). I am now maintaining > the 2400 mg. a day ( a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 900 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). From > what I understand about this drug, it has a very small half life, which > makes it important to take it in divided doses throughout the day. > My pdoc mentioned Topamax as a possibility for me. However, at the time, I > was losing a fair amount of weight because of the depression, so he decided > to hold off on trying me on Topamax, as one of the side effects is weight > loss. What were the side effects you had from it? > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > Hi Compucat: > I’ve been suffering from this depression for 3 years. Its is like I also > have episodes within this episode. This sub-episode started last August, > and has been just about impossible to fix. This is the first time (since > I > took Manerix) that I feel so much better. I still can’t figure if I have > some bi-polar problem. It would just be nice to be able to dx me as > "something". > I’ve also tried Topamax – made me sick for 4 months. I found it to be a > very harsh drug. It worked very well for 2 months and then it crashed and > burned. I have not been a fun patient for any of my doctors. But then > they > have been hard to deal with also. Not a good combination. How I ever got > the strength to spend 1-1/2 weeks just bitching and complaining at them is > beyond my comprehension. Must have be a need to survive. > Did you gradually build up to 2400 mg/day of the Neurontin, or did you > start > at that amount right away? > Thanks for your input. > Carrie > > hi Carrie… > > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting me > out > > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I can > say > > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, the > > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a > big > > part in my recovery. > > Take good care, > > — > > regards, > > Compucat >^+^< > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this > combo. > > > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > > > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and focus > on > > > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > > wander. > > > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally > gotten > > > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up fearful – > but > > > not a bad. > > > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My > doctor > > > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that > combo > > > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the > awful > > > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off. > > > So, I assuming the Neurontin is working as noted above, but would > > appreciate > > > anyone else with some input on this experience. Is this good? bad? > > Normal > > > for the drug? I know I’m feeling better. That’s always a good thing. > > > Thanks > > > Carrie
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hi Carrie – Well, I knew there was something wrong with me at a very early age. But once I was an adult, and I realized I couldn’t continue living the way I was, so I looked for help. Two pdocs have now diagnosed me as Bipolar II, with obsessive-compulsive tendencies. From what I now understand, if you are in a depressive state, the usual protocol is an anti-depressant combined with a mood stabilizer. Once out of the funk, a person can just take Neurontin, which is my goal. I do accept, however, that I may need to take antidepressants (with a mood stabilizer) for the rest of my life. I don’t come down on myself for this. The way I view it is similar to how diabetics need insulin – I can’t live a healthy life without my meds. Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic. It is sometimes also used in the short-term treatment of acute manic episodes associated with bipolar disorder. Carrie, I think it would be real beneficial for you to have a proper diagnosis made. I would think it would make it easier to start on a course of action to alleviate your depression. You may need something in addition to the meds you are currently taking. For what it’s worth, I am a neighbour from the "mainland", and I know our med system is getting a bit out of hand, making waits to see specialists long at times. Talk to your family physician and INSIST that you be referred to a psychiatrist for a proper diagnosis. In as much as I respect family physicians, I just don’t see them having the time to know the intricate ins – and – outs of the treatments that are available for us. It’s that old adage – "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". When I saw my family doctor in late September, he suggested I might want to see a psychologist. I bluntly said "no", and indicated that I felt I needed to be working with someone who could prescribe the proper meds for me. One thing you also might want to do is read up on Bipolar illness. I find that knowledge makes me feel strong and in control, and that inner feeling is helpful especially when you are fighting depression. hugs, Compucat
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My side effects from the Topamax was weight loss. I’m very overweight and > the weight loss was great, no one complained. Unfortunately feeling like I > was going to vomit 24 hours a day was just awful. I had NO appetite at all. > My belly hurt. Diet cola tasted like crap. My taste senses were totally > off. For about a month I constantly ate Popsicles. Piles of them. LOL. > My weight loss over the 4-month period was 30 pounds. I was disappointed > when the mood stabilizing effect crashed and burned. So sad. I was willing > to put up with the appetite side effects to loss more weight. But my liver > has some problems also. Topamax is not the greatest on the liver. Well, > that is my Topamax story. > I find the Neurontin does not have any effect on my appetite. In fact I’ve > had a slight decrease in my appetite. I used to take Phenobarbitol for > epilepsy many years ago. Seizure meds just seem to kill my appetite. I’ve > that the Zyprexa is bad for weight gain. Believe me, I pray that does not > happen. I will have to go off it. I suffered from depression in 1989-1992. > During the first 15 months, I gained 140 pounds. Believe it or not, after > the recovery and before this depression started, I had lost 110 pounds of > that. And then, boom, another depression started in spring 1999. Well by > spring 2000, I’d gained 80 pounds. I’ve kept off 20 of the 30 pounds lost > recently. > So, do I die of obesity and the problems associated with it, or die of a > serious depressive episode? > I don’t my doctors will let me go any higher on any of the meds. They now > seem to figure that I get will with nothing. Right. I can’t see it. In > fact, I know it. > I really wonder if I’m Bi-polar II. If I can’t get off the meds over a long > period of time, I guess we will know. I’ve read up on Bi-polar II and I > sure seem to fit into the description. How did you know that you were BPII? > As far as the late summer sub-episode, I’m very curious about that. I > remember I was at my worst on 9/11. I was in bed and my son woke me up and > flicked on my TV and said "Mom, look at this!" I thought it was some > computer generated airplane crashes. I was numb. Ten minutes later the > cable guy arrived to hook up my movie channels (digital stuff). It was all > so unreal to me at the time. I’m Canadian, on Vancouver Island, and that > attack bothered everyone here as well. > I was born in September and I love the onset of fall and winter. So my > crash and burn sub-episode was so bizarre. Like I haven’t had enough yet! > LOL. > Thanks for that info on Neurontin. I didn’t realize about the half life of > the med. I notice the effects about 45 minutes I take my dose. I don’t > notice anything after I take my Zyprexa. Can a person just take Neurontin, > or do they have to be taking something with it? Zyprexa is an > anti-psychotic, I believe. Or it is some combo of AD and AP. > Take care, > Sorry for the length of this reply. I’m long winded today. Total opposite > of 3 days ago. > Carrie > hi Carrie: > 3 years is a long time to be in the midst of a depressive state. I’m happy > you are getting some relief now. I find it interesting regarding your > sub-episode starting in August. I would love to find a common denominator > for why people like us (I am Bipolar II) crash in the late summer. My > theory > (for me) is that I was born in the summer and love the summer, hence I > have > "life" in the summer. But in my head, late August represents the summer > slipping away yet another time. The 9/11 problems, I think, also played a > significant part in my crash. > I was horribly treatment resistant this time around. I tried a number of > meds before settling in with the 3 I am on now (Neurontin, Celexa and > Nortriptyline). Yes, I did start the Neurontin at a lower dose and work my > way up. My initial dose was 1500 mg. (a.m. – 600 mg. noon – 300 mg. > p.m. > 600 mg. ). I tolerated it well, and so the next increase was up to 2100 > mg. > a day (a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 600 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). I am now > maintaining > the 2400 mg. a day ( a.m. – 900 mg. noon – 900 mg. p.m. 600 mg.). From > what I understand about this drug, it has a very small half life, which > makes it important to take it in divided doses throughout the day. > My pdoc mentioned Topamax as a possibility for me. However, at the time, I > was losing a fair amount of weight because of the depression, so he > decided > to hold off on trying me on Topamax, as one of the side effects is weight > loss. What were the side effects you had from it? > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^< > > Hi Compucat: > > I’ve been suffering from this depression for 3 years. Its is like I > also > > have episodes within this episode. This sub-episode started last > August, > > and has been just about impossible to fix. This is the first time > (since > I > > took Manerix) that I feel so much better. I still can’t figure if I > have > > some bi-polar problem. It would just be nice to be able to dx me as > > "something". > > I’ve also tried Topamax – made me sick for 4 months. I found it to be a > > very harsh drug. It worked very well for 2 months and then it crashed > and > > burned. I have not been a fun patient for any of my doctors. But then > they > > have been hard to deal with also. Not a good combination. How I ever > got > > the strength to spend 1-1/2 weeks just bitching and complaining at them > is > > beyond my comprehension. Must have be a need to survive. > > Did you gradually build up to 2400 mg/day of the Neurontin, or did you > start > > at that amount right away? > > Thanks for your input. > > Carrie > > > hi Carrie… > > > I am on Neurontin (2400 mg. day), but it’s combined with Celexa and > > > Nortriptyline, so I can’t really say what is responsible for getting > me > > out > > > of the major depressive episode that started last September. What I > can > > say > > > is that despite having tried a number of different anti-depressants, > the > > > constant in the equation has been Neurontin. I do feel it has played a > big > > > part in my recovery. > > > Take good care, > > > — > > > regards, > > > Compucat >^+^< > > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > Hi. I just started Neurontin + Zyprexa. I’m on my 3rd day of this > > combo. > > > > I noticed that when I’m watching TV, or talking with my family that > > > > everything seems slower. I seems to be able to concentrate and > focus > on > > > > what the entire conversation is all about. My mind does not race or > > > wander. > > > > My speech if fine, no slurring or anything like that. I’ve finally > > gotten > > > > some sleep. Still dreaming in nightmare mode and waking up > fearful – > > but > > > > not a bad. > > > > I’m on 600 mg/day of the Neurontin and 5mg/day of the Zyprexa. My > > doctor > > > > didn’t really want to give me anything! But the pdoc sent him that > > combo > > > > recommendation. I told my Dr. I just could not function/live in the > > awful > > > > mode I was in. So this is just enough to take the edge off.
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>I think what Carrie should do is give ECT a second chance. Screw all these >drugs.
Put up or shut the fuck up.
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>I think what Carrie should do is give ECT a second chance. Screw all these >drugs.
You would think if someone has had previous ECT – the first thing they would do when feeling down would be to run back and get some head trauma at the earliest sign of returning symptoms. ECT is for SEVERE depression AS A LAST RESORT – nothing upon the order you have ever described, and not for people too damn lazy to open a pill bottle or honest enough to go to therapy to help depression. Go catch some rays or swim some laps or something.
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>Dumbass…Carrie has exhibited all of the classic signs of a person who could >use ECT. First she has a severe mood disorder, which is making her disabled. >Secondly, she has repeatedly mentioned her liver is fried, for whatever reasons >I do not know of. A fried liver makes it difficult to take a lot of psychiatry >drugs….you run into metabolism problems and such. If your liver is unhealthy, >you cant metabolise most drugs.
Hey Fuckface – So then you are saying Carrie doesn’t know what’s best for her? Are you saying she is an idiot to continue to use meds and not go the head trauma route? I suspect if ECT were as great as you THINK, she would do it again in a heart beat. Perhaps she can shed some light on why she didn’t go that route – since you have dx’d her as needing it. >ECT is perfect for people who for whatever reasons cannot tolerate psychiatry >medications. Also, remember Carrie already has had eight ECTs and according to >her, "ECT isnt shit."
If it "isn’t shit", why would she bother with the drugs? ECT would be much easier than hit and miss drugz. And safer – with the liver problems – right? Are you saying that she’s too to see what’s best for her? I think that of you. >Speaketh what you actually know of. Better yet, take a nice long (permanent) >vacation from this board.
This isn’t a board AOL asswipe. You know only of ECT what you have read and *chose* to absorb – and a tape by someone who you claim is in a profession which made you insane. You don’t have sever depression anyway – so the point is moot.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You would think if someone has had previous ECT – the first thing they >would do when feeling down would be to run back and get some head >trauma at the earliest sign of returning symptoms. ECT is for SEVERE >depression AS A LAST RESORT – nothing upon the order you have ever >described, and not for people too damn lazy to open a pill bottle or >honest enough to go to therapy to help depression. Go catch some rays >or swim some laps or something. > Dumbass…Carrie has exhibited all of the classic signs of a person who could > use ECT. First she has a severe mood disorder, which is making her disabled. > Secondly, she has repeatedly mentioned her liver is fried, for whatever reasons > I do not know of. A fried liver makes it difficult to take a lot of psychiatry > drugs….you run into metabolism problems and such. If your liver is unhealthy, > you cant metabolise most drugs. > ECT is perfect for people who for whatever reasons cannot tolerate psychiatry > medications. Also, remember Carrie already has had eight ECTs and according to > her, "ECT isnt shit." > Speaketh what you actually know of. Better yet, take a nice long (permanent) > vacation from this board.
So when is your turn putting your brain between the paddles for a good zap, Eric?
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>$100 please…no >insurance needed.
AM I helping pay for your rent? Oh wait – nevermind.
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>Sounds like its time for some ECT for yourself mania girl. I could give it to >you myself, with my jumper cables and truck battery. I charge $100 an hour. >Maintenance ECT is done in my garage. I lay you down on this camping cot near >the hood of my truck. Then I place the jumper cables to your head. Oh yeah I >almost forgot you also are grounded during the procedure. Then I start the >truck and the juice flows and you have a grand mal convulsion. $100 please…no >insurance needed.
Avoid the question anyway you can.
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>Then I place the jumper cables to your head.
You sick fucker, I’m straight.
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>with my jumper cables and truck battery
North Carolina and a truck – and a confederate flag I suppose.
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>I charge $100 an hour.
How much for just a blow job?
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>I thought blow jobs was your specialty? I dont give blow jobs…sorry.
Eric – I believe the SSRI has activated your mania. I’m a male lesbian – I do all the things that they do!
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>Nutty professor…I believe your medications are not up to par. Please get some >help soon.
Well – if you believe they are NOT up to par – I am confident things are fine. Thanks – Max.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I thought blow jobs was your specialty? I dont give blow jobs…sorry. >Eric – I believe the SSRI has activated your mania. I’m a male lesbian >- I do all the things that they do! > Nutty professor…I believe your medications are not up to par. Please get some > help soon.
So if some one disagrees with Eric they are in need of additional medication, huh? Sounds just like J. Fuller Torey!
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hi again Bonnie… yes, the Prozac worked great for me for 10 years. However, at about year 6 I was up to 40 mg. a day, and then roughly at year 9 I was up to 60 mg. day. My pdoc said that he could get me up to 80 mg. day, but I might have to be a hospital in-patient to do that. I decided against this, and started the long road I am on now of finding the right meds. My sis is on Prozac, and has been for about 6 years now. She takes 40 mg. day and finds that it works really well for her. Regarding the Neurontin, I suspect it is working, but I think the true test will be when I lower/stop taking my current ADs. I tried to go down to 50 mg. Celexa last week (on recommendation of my pdoc), as I was feeling better, but I started getting "breakthrough" depression, so this morning, I was back up to 60 mg. . Obviously, I am not stabilized yet. I guess one good week is not indicative of recovery. take good care, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks so much Compucat, I really appreciate your help and support. I have > wondered about Celexa. The Prozac worked for 10 years for you? That’s > great – I’ve just been on it 2 years and it is losing it’s effectiveness. I > think the Neurontin helps a bit with stress and some with mood swings but > not that much and it does make me sleepy. > Thanks again for being such a good friend, > Bonnie > ((((((((Bonnie))))))))) > Been there, done that, hope to never do it again. > Prozac pooped out on me after about 10 years. Before my pdoc weaned me off > it, we went up to 60 mg. day, but it had just lost its effectiveness on > me. > Then came the trial and error phase. Along with Neurontin, which has been > effective for me (many posters have said it wasn’t effective for them, but > remember, we are all different chemically) I have tried this time around: > – Wellbutrin, which did absolutely nothing > – Effexor, I got up to 187.5 mg, but had to quit due to side effects > (tremors, anxiety) > – Remeron (really drowsy, and I think I would have wound up eating my > house – huge increase in appetite) > In addition to the 2400 mg. of Neurontin, it took 60 mg. of Celexa and 25 > mg. of Nortriptyline to get me to where I am now, at a stabilization > period. > My pdoc has me cutting back the Celexa to 50 mg. He has indicated I may > need > to take an AD for a year or so, but that the eventual goal is to be able > to > control my BP II by mood stabilizers alone. > Bonnie, being treatment resistant is tough. Once you find out that a med > isn’t working, you usually have to wean yourself off it, while introducing > the next med. Things can get aggravating, uncomfortable, and as previously > posted, be a bumpy ride. One thing to remember is that there are many ADs > on > the market that you can try alone or combined with each other. Don’t give > up. Above all, try to believe that you WILL find the right combo of meds > to > help you out. Be persistent and work with your docs. > Keep the faith, hon. > hugs, > Compucat >^+^< > > I need to switch my antidepressant. My depression has become > overwhelming. > > This is the worst yet. I can do little more than sleep and cry. > > My dx is BPII, severe depression, anxiety disorder, occasional panic > attacks > > and PTSD. I am currently taking Neurontin as a mood stabilizer and feel > it > > helps some but I’m not sure how much. My current AD is Prozac which I > have > > raised to 60mg a day. Prozac is the first AD that ever helped my > depression > > at all but after two years on it I think it has given out on me. I > > previously was on Serzone and then Wellbutrin. They each had a few > positive > > effects for me but neither touched my depression so I am guessing that I > > need a more traditional SSRI. (especially since the Prozac is the only > med > > to ever help my depression at all) > > So my question is this – After having the Prozac-poop-out what is next? > Is > > there anything else that will help? How is Paxil for BPs? Or how about > > Effexor? I will see my pdoc the week after next but some input from > others > > that have been there might help. > > I would like to be able to live, but I’m not. Whatever it is I am doing > is > > barely surviving day to day and hurts like hell. > > Thanks for any input, > > Bonnie
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I also have BP II. I am on 300mg of Effexor, 150 am 150 afternoon. But after a year I needed to add another AD to the mix. I take Wellbutrin 300mg same as above. both are extended release formulas. I also take Zyprexa 10mg for mood stabalizer and antipsychotic. So far since oct no real highs…no real lows. but I still cycle pretty fast, just the peeks and valleys are managable. Paxil was the frist AD I was on. It would take care of the depression then I would go manic and drop again and it wouldn’t work. did 3 up doses before I said…nope not takin that anymore. Plus I had a really hard time with it everytime we starte a new dose. Was completely out of commision for 3 days with each introduction. Sucked big time. Hope this helps T
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Your symptoms do sound familier…… It was the Prozac that first tipped off that I was BPII, but it has also been the only AD to ever help me, until now anyway. So you find Celexa helpful as well? I don’t think I could take Remeron because I am sensitive to anything that makes you sleepy and as it is I have to take most of my Neurontin dosage at night. Thanks for your help rik – I really appreciate it. (((((((((((((((((((rik)))))))))))))))))))) Bonnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bonnie, > I also am a BP II. I get panic attacks, suffer from PTSD, severe depression > and anxiety (this is a fairly recent development). > I had to stop taking Prozac as it made me manic. I also did Paxil at one > time and it made me a whole lot blacker (mood). > My current "cocktail" includes Lithium, Neurontin, Celexa, Remeron and > Risperdal. This has done wonders for me. It might take a "cocktail" such as > this to help you. My Pdoc has tweaked the dosages so I am not a complete > zombie… > Hope this information is useful > (((((((((((((((((BONNIE))))))))))))))) > keep the faith > rik > — > Padded room with a view > RWC3
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Thanks Bruce. Always so good to see you here. (((((((((((((((((((Bruce)))))))))))))))))))) Bonnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks for any input, >Bonnie > ((((((((((((((((((((((Bonnie))))))))))))))))))))) > Peace > Bendy
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Thanks so much Compucat, I really appreciate your help and support. I have wondered about Celexa. The Prozac worked for 10 years for you? That’s great – I’ve just been on it 2 years and it is losing it’s effectiveness. I think the Neurontin helps a bit with stress and some with mood swings but not that much and it does make me sleepy. Thanks again for being such a good friend, Bonnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ((((((((Bonnie))))))))) > Been there, done that, hope to never do it again. > Prozac pooped out on me after about 10 years. Before my pdoc weaned me off > it, we went up to 60 mg. day, but it had just lost its effectiveness on me. > Then came the trial and error phase. Along with Neurontin, which has been > effective for me (many posters have said it wasn’t effective for them, but > remember, we are all different chemically) I have tried this time around: > – Wellbutrin, which did absolutely nothing > – Effexor, I got up to 187.5 mg, but had to quit due to side effects > (tremors, anxiety) > – Remeron (really drowsy, and I think I would have wound up eating my > house – huge increase in appetite) > In addition to the 2400 mg. of Neurontin, it took 60 mg. of Celexa and 25 > mg. of Nortriptyline to get me to where I am now, at a stabilization period. > My pdoc has me cutting back the Celexa to 50 mg. He has indicated I may need > to take an AD for a year or so, but that the eventual goal is to be able to > control my BP II by mood stabilizers alone. > Bonnie, being treatment resistant is tough. Once you find out that a med > isn’t working, you usually have to wean yourself off it, while introducing > the next med. Things can get aggravating, uncomfortable, and as previously > posted, be a bumpy ride. One thing to remember is that there are many ADs on > the market that you can try alone or combined with each other. Don’t give > up. Above all, try to believe that you WILL find the right combo of meds to > help you out. Be persistent and work with your docs. > Keep the faith, hon. > hugs, > Compucat >^+^< > I need to switch my antidepressant. My depression has become > overwhelming. > This is the worst yet. I can do little more than sleep and cry. > My dx is BPII, severe depression, anxiety disorder, occasional panic > attacks > and PTSD. I am currently taking Neurontin as a mood stabilizer and feel > it > helps some but I’m not sure how much. My current AD is Prozac which I > have > raised to 60mg a day. Prozac is the first AD that ever helped my > depression > at all but after two years on it I think it has given out on me. I > previously was on Serzone and then Wellbutrin. They each had a few > positive > effects for me but neither touched my depression so I am guessing that I > need a more traditional SSRI. (especially since the Prozac is the only > med > to ever help my depression at all) > So my question is this – After having the Prozac-poop-out what is next? > Is > there anything else that will help? How is Paxil for BPs? Or how about > Effexor? I will see my pdoc the week after next but some input from > others > that have been there might help. > I would like to be able to live, but I’m not. Whatever it is I am doing > is > barely surviving day to day and hurts like hell. > Thanks for any input, > Bonnie
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Thanks xp for your input. I have heard that Depakote causes weight gain (something I can do without) and in fact my son gained weight when he was on it – did you have this problem with it? Did you adjust to it fairly easily? I may need to ask my pdoc about it. Thanks again, Bonnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > < I am currently taking Neurontin as a mood stabilizer and feel it > <helps some but I’m not sure how much. > From just about everyone that I have talked with about Neurontin and > my own experience shows that it has very little mood stabilizing > properties compared to the more traditional mood stabilizers. I > started on Neurontin and it did help a little, but I responded very > well to Depakote. All you can do is give the different meds a try and > hold tight. It sometimes is a bumpy ride. > xp
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Thanks so much. Hugs always help. : ) ((((((((((((((((((((CT)))))))))))))))))))) Bonnie
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Bonnie, I also am a BP II. I get panic attacks, suffer from PTSD, severe depression and anxiety (this is a fairly recent development). I had to stop taking Prozac as it made me manic. I also did Paxil at one time and it made me a whole lot blacker (mood). My current "cocktail" includes Lithium, Neurontin, Celexa, Remeron and Risperdal. This has done wonders for me. It might take a "cocktail" such as this to help you. My Pdoc has tweaked the dosages so I am not a complete zombie… Hope this information is useful (((((((((((((((((BONNIE))))))))))))))) keep the faith rik — Padded room with a view RWC3
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Thanks Lynda, this is some very helpful information. Bonnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see > the 'To' and 'Newsgroups' headers for details. ]] > The MAOIS are Excellent for refractory depression. > Parnate, Nardil are 2 examoles. > THE MAO INHIBITORS > A further option involves using both some of the oldest and the > newest drugs on the block, the monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs). > The > older irreversible MAOIs certainly shouldn’t be combined with SSRIs, > and > inadvisably with stimulants and many other drugs. Yet both old and new, > they do have some very interesting properties. > Monoamine oxidase has two main forms, type A and type B. They > are coded by separate genes. MAO may be inhibited with agents that act > reversibly or irreversibly; and selectively or unselectively; these > categories are not absolute. MAO type-A preferentially deaminates > serotonin and noradrenaline, and also non-selectively dopamine; type B > primarily metabolises dopamine, phenylethylamine (the "chocolate > amphetamine") and various trace amines. > The substantial mood-elevating properties of the MAOIs were > discovered quite by chance in a US veterans hospital early in the > 1950’s. Many patients given the anti-tuberculotic drug iproniazid were > not merely cured of their tuberculosis. They became exceptionally happy > as well. The animated enthusiasm for life of a previously crotchety > bunch disconcerted their doctors. For it transpired that their > new-found > euphoria wasn’t just an understandable reaction to being cured of > physical disease. MAOI’s have mood-brightening properties as well. At > the time, there was no accepted and clinically-effective treatment for > depression. Fortunately, via the usual circuitous routes, the > appropriate lessons were eventually drawn. Many millions of people were > successfully treated with MAOIs in consequence. > Sadly, the role of MAO in deaminating tyramine (from the Greek > word "tyros", meaning cheese) wasn’t at first understood. Certain > MAOI-treated patients suffered hypertensive crises after eating varying > amounts of tyramine-rich aged cheese; and several died. It is now > recognised that the use of any MAOI which is both irreversible and > unselective must be accompanied by dietary restrictions. But the > adverse > publicity of the initial inexplicable fatalities, combined with the > introduction of a succession of dirty but sometimes tolerably effective > tricyclic compounds, sent the use and reputation of MAOIs into a > precipitous decline from which they still haven’t fully recovered. > The older non-selective and (more-or-less) irreversible > inhibitors tranylcypromine (Parnate), phenelzine (Nardil) and > isocarboxazid (Marplan) are nonetheless valuable drugs. Outside the > USA, > they tend to have been eclipsed by the selective and reversible > moclobemide. Similar therapeutic agents are in the pipeline. Of greater > interest still are central-nervous-system-selective compounds, notably > one known (not indeed especially widely) as MDL-72394. MAOIs which lack > the peripheral effects of currently explored drugs herald an exciting > new pharmacological window of opportunity. > SELEGILINE (l-deprenyl) > A recent New York study showed that smokers had on average 40% less of > the enzyme, monoamine oxidase type-B, in their brains than non-smokers. > Levels returned to normal on their giving up smoking. Not merely is the > extra dopamine in the synapses rewarding. The level of MAO-b inhibition > smokers enjoy apparently contributes to their reduced incidence of > Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease. Unfortunately they are liable to > die horribly and prematurely of other diseases first. > One option which the dopamine-craving nicotine addict might > wish > to explore is switching to the (relatively) selective MAO-b inhibitor > selegiline, better known as l-deprenyl. Normally the brain’s > irreplaceable complement of 30-40 thousand odd dopaminergic cells tends > to die off at around 13% per decade in adult life. This diminishes the > quality and intensity of experience. It also saps what in more > ontologically innocent times might have been called one’s life-force. > Eighty percent loss of dopamine neurons results in Parkinson’s disease, > often prefigured by depression. Deprenyl has an anti-oxidant, > immune-system-boosting and dopamine-cell-sparing effect. It boosts > levels of tyrosine hydroxylase, growth hormone, superoxide dismutase > and > the production of key interleukins. It offers protection against DNA > damage and oxidative stress by hydroxyl and peroxyl radical trapping; > and against excitotoxic damage from glutamate. > Whatever the full explanation, deprenyl-driven MAOI-users, > unlike cigarette smokers, are likely to be around to enjoy its > distinctive benefits for a long time to come, possibly longer than > their > drug-na
April 11, 2002
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hello to all… I am alive and kicking and just wanted to let you know that I have been a bit busy over the last couple of days and haven’t had much time to read and respond to posts. I saw my pdoc on Monday. I am now in a "stabilization" period of about a month. He wants me to try to slowly decrease my Celexa (I am at the max 60 mg.) to 50 mg., while maintaining my Gabapentin and Nortriptyline. I am feeling better and will keep a close eye on what the med change does to me. I seem to be doing more lately. My husband and I have just finished painting what we are now referring to as "The Tropicana Room". The walls are a rich turquoise blue, just like the waters in the Caribbean. That colour makes me drool! Next I’ll look for some tropical style furniture, probably rattan. And somewhere in the room I want to incorporate those lights that pdocs suggest for folks that are affected by SAD. Even though my current (past?) bout of depression started late last summer, I think it might be beneficial for me to get one of those. Can anyone supply me with a name, or if you use one, how you may have rigged it up in your home? Take good care everyone. — regards, Compucat >^+^<
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I’ve got an url list… http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/ParaLite.htm http://www.lightboxtherapy.com/ http://www.sadlight.com/ http://www.apollolight.com/ http://www.economylightbox.com/ http://www.sunbox.com/ http://www.lighttherapyproducts.com/ http://www.sunalite.com/s_lightboxes.cfm http://www.lighttherapy.com/ No recommendations. Consult your pdoc first before committing.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hello to all… > I am alive and kicking and just wanted to let you know that I have been a > bit busy over the last couple of days and haven’t had much time to read and > respond to posts. > I saw my pdoc on Monday. I am now in a "stabilization" period of about a > month. He wants me to try to slowly decrease my Celexa (I am at the max 60 > mg.) to 50 mg., while maintaining my Gabapentin and Nortriptyline. I am > feeling better and will keep a close eye on what the med change does to me. > I seem to be doing more lately. My husband and I have just finished painting > what we are now referring to as "The Tropicana Room". The walls are a rich > turquoise blue, just like the waters in the Caribbean. That colour makes me > drool! Next I’ll look for some tropical style furniture, probably rattan. > And somewhere in the room I want to incorporate those lights that pdocs > suggest for folks that are affected by SAD. Even though my current (past?) > bout of depression started late last summer, I think it might be beneficial > for me to get one of those. Can anyone supply me with a name, or if you use > one, how you may have rigged it up in your home? > Take good care everyone. > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^<
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thanks so much ghost! I will spend a little time right now looking at these. — regards, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got an url list… > http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/ParaLite.htm > http://www.lightboxtherapy.com/ > http://www.sadlight.com/ > http://www.apollolight.com/ > http://www.economylightbox.com/ > http://www.sunbox.com/ > http://www.lighttherapyproducts.com/ > http://www.sunalite.com/s_lightboxes.cfm > http://www.lighttherapy.com/ > No recommendations. Consult your pdoc first before committing. > hello to all… > I am alive and kicking and just wanted to let you know that I have been a > bit busy over the last couple of days and haven’t had much time to read > and > respond to posts. > I saw my pdoc on Monday. I am now in a "stabilization" period of about a > month. He wants me to try to slowly decrease my Celexa (I am at the max 60 > mg.) to 50 mg., while maintaining my Gabapentin and Nortriptyline. I am > feeling better and will keep a close eye on what the med change does to > me. > I seem to be doing more lately. My husband and I have just finished > painting > what we are now referring to as "The Tropicana Room". The walls are a rich > turquoise blue, just like the waters in the Caribbean. That colour makes > me > drool! Next I’ll look for some tropical style furniture, probably rattan. > And somewhere in the room I want to incorporate those lights that pdocs > suggest for folks that are affected by SAD. Even though my current (past?) > bout of depression started late last summer, I think it might be > beneficial > for me to get one of those. Can anyone supply me with a name, or if you > use > one, how you may have rigged it up in your home? > Take good care everyone. > — > regards, > Compucat >^+^<
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"Compucat" wrote > hello to all… > I am alive and kicking and just wanted to let you know that I have been a > bit busy over the last couple of days and haven’t had much time to read and > respond to posts.
So good to hear from you ) {{{{{{{Compucat}}}}}}} > I saw my pdoc on Monday. I am now in a "stabilization" period of about a > month. He wants me to try to slowly decrease my Celexa (I am at the max 60 > mg.) to 50 mg., while maintaining my Gabapentin and Nortriptyline. I am > feeling better and will keep a close eye on what the med change does to
me. Please tell us how it works out – I’ll be thinking of you, hoping this works out wonderfully, hon > I seem to be doing more lately. My husband and I have just finished painting > what we are now referring to as "The Tropicana Room". The walls are a rich > turquoise blue, just like the waters in the Caribbean. That colour makes me > drool! Next I’ll look for some tropical style furniture, probably rattan.
You sound inspired and creatively happy That’s so great! )) Aaah I love the colour of turquise. When I feel bubble and energetic I love dressing in turquise clothes. It’s such a intense colour, funny and happy, and at the same time it’s sort of pure and clean. I love it. Your Tropicana Room sounds so cool – I hope you’ll find the lights you’re looking for. What a great idea to have a room lke that! To work off sadness in > And somewhere in the room I want to incorporate those lights that pdocs > suggest for folks that are affected by SAD. Even though my current (past?) > bout of depression started late last summer, I think it might be beneficial > for me to get one of those. Can anyone supply me with a name, or if you use > one, how you may have rigged it up in your home?
I’m sorry I don’t have any tip here but I bet someone else has – good luck Again – so good hearing from you Warm hugs, TK
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April 10, 2002
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Hi. I’m bipolar and have been managing the manic end with very well with lithium for the last ten years. Unfortunatley, every fall I have severe to moderate depression. This past fall I tried an anti-depressent for the first time ,Celexa, and it pulled me out of the winter-long depression. Wanting to avoid the risk of setting off a manic episode in the spring (the spring is typically when I would get manic, as my bi-polar has a seasonal element to it), my pdoc and I have been tapering the Celexa down with the idea of coming off it completely around now and then back on in the fall. But I am having a Hell of a time coming off it- I have moody depressive irritable andgry suicidal thought episodes that I wasn’t bargaining on. I haven’t had to deal with this shit since last fall- I was wondering if anyone has had a difficult experience coming off the Celexa, or if anyone with Bi-polar stayed on it and not had manic episodes? Thanks.
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Marie, I am on Celexa full time all year long. I am also on lithium, risperdal, remeron and neurontin to control my bp as well as severe anxiety. I have had no manic episodes on the celexa. It was a lifesaver for me as I am prone to very severe depression. Hipe this helps. keep the faith rik — Padded room with a view RWC3
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> Hi. I’m bipolar and have been managing the manic end with very well > with lithium for the last ten years. Unfortunatley, every fall I have > severe to moderate depression. This past fall I tried an > anti-depressent for the first time ,Celexa, and it pulled me out of > the winter-long depression. Wanting to avoid the risk of setting off > a manic episode in the spring (the spring is typically when I would > get manic, as my bi-polar has a seasonal element to it), my pdoc and I > have been tapering the Celexa down with the idea of coming off it > completely around now and then back on in the fall. But I am having a > Hell of a time coming off it- I have moody depressive irritable andgry > suicidal thought episodes that I wasn’t bargaining on. I haven’t had > to deal with this shit since last fall- I was wondering if anyone has > had a difficult experience coming off the Celexa, or if anyone with > Bi-polar stayed on it and not had manic episodes? Thanks.
The combination of lithium with Celexa theoretically keeps mania states from taking over. I know I couldn’t handle an AD by itself, but in my case lithium rendered SSRIs (of which Celexa is one) ineffective. But YMMV, and of course I haven’t been a doctor since I was a kid, playing with the girl next door. jodelli
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hi Marie… stay tuned. I am currently on 60 mg. Celexa, along with Neurontin and Nortriptyline. Last week was my first full week of feeling well, which of course leads me to questions about how long I should maintain this drug cocktail, whether or not I should cut back, what is my long term goal regarding these meds, etc. I see my pdoc on Monday, so I’ll talk to him about these things. If anything gets cut back, I suspect it will be the Nortriptyline, as this was added on as a boost to the Celexa (it bugs me that I needed the max. dose of Celexa to have it work). — regards, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I’m bipolar and have been managing the manic end with very well > with lithium for the last ten years. Unfortunatley, every fall I have > severe to moderate depression. This past fall I tried an > anti-depressent for the first time ,Celexa, and it pulled me out of > the winter-long depression. Wanting to avoid the risk of setting off > a manic episode in the spring (the spring is typically when I would > get manic, as my bi-polar has a seasonal element to it), my pdoc and I > have been tapering the Celexa down with the idea of coming off it > completely around now and then back on in the fall. But I am having a > Hell of a time coming off it- I have moody depressive irritable andgry > suicidal thought episodes that I wasn’t bargaining on. I haven’t had > to deal with this shit since last fall- I was wondering if anyone has > had a difficult experience coming off the Celexa, or if anyone with > Bi-polar stayed on it and not had manic episodes? Thanks.
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April 7, 2002
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Took out my ***bike*** and rode her to my photo course. Wow it was soooo great – what a way to get high and feel gooooood. What a way to just forget about everything and just *be* ) She’s a real beauty too and I feel so strong and powerful and tough and all when I ride her – like the mean bitch I’d wish I was sometimes This is the first time I ride her this spring and I hope the weather stays warm so I can go for short rides during the day. It’s a fantastic way of motivating myself to get out and get some fresh air, ’cause I love riding her and it makes me forget about all the shitty stuff and just be there and then. Flow with the wind Yiihaaw Aaaah what a feeling….. the wind in my face, the curves of the road, the sound of the engine, the vibrations, the speed, the way you’re IN the landscape and not locked up in a metal box with glass windows. The smell of grass and forest and concrete and evening and spring )) It’s the most wonderful feeling of freedom Ride free TK
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TK… I know the feeling. I ride horses, and that free feeling is just exhilarating. It’s like you are feeling everything that life is. Thank God spring is here. Hey, what kind of bike do you have? My best friend bought herself a 2001 V-Star. What you say about riding sounds exactly the same as what she says. Isn’t it great that despite our illnesses we CAN enjoy life? Gee, taking that second Nortriptyline last night has made me cloudy/phasy/happy in the head. Not a bad feeling. I think I am getting close to being able to say I can go with the meds I am on and get stabilized with these 3 (Celexa, Gabapentin, Nortriptyline) – just wished that the shakiness and tremors would subside. hugs, Compucat >^+^<
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Took out my ***bike*** and rode her to my photo course. Wow it was soooo > great – what a way to get high and feel gooooood. What a way to just forget > about everything and just *be* ) She’s a real beauty too and I feel so > strong and powerful and tough and all when I ride her – like the mean bitch > I’d wish I was sometimes This is the first time I ride her this spring > and I hope the weather stays warm so I can go for short rides during the > day. It’s a fantastic way of motivating myself to get out and get some fresh > air, ’cause I love riding her and it makes me forget about all the shitty > stuff and just be there and then. Flow with the wind Yiihaaw Aaaah > what a feeling….. the wind in my face, the curves of the road, the sound > of the engine, the vibrations, the speed, the way you’re IN the landscape > and not locked up in a metal box with glass windows. The smell of grass and > forest and concrete and evening and spring )) It’s the most wonderful > feeling of freedom > Ride free > TK
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"Compucat" wrote > TK… I know the feeling. I ride horses, and that free feeling is just > exhilarating. It’s like you are feeling everything that life is.
Yeah I guess the feeling must be quite similar > Thank God spring is here. Hey, what kind of bike do you have? My best friend > bought herself a 2001 V-Star. What you say about riding sounds exactly the > same as what she says. Isn’t it great that despite our illnesses we CAN > enjoy life?
I find it like a way of meditation, and a way of escapism too. It makes me forget all I worry about for a little while. And riding my bike makes me feel strong ) My bike is a Harley, a Heritage Softtail > Gee, taking that second Nortriptyline last night has made me > cloudy/phasy/happy in the head. Not a bad feeling. I think I am getting > close to being able to say I can go with the meds I am on and get stabilized > with these 3 (Celexa, Gabapentin, Nortriptyline) – just wished that the > shakiness and tremors would subside.
Wow, Comps that sounds so great! )) Really happy the meds are working out that good for you – keep us posted Wishing you the best Warm hugs, TK
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April 4, 2002
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